Lucy, I know that you locked the last thread with this question in it.. so I rephrased the question in (hopefully) a less offensive tone. I really want to know an answer to this question.

Why is it that davidw is allowed to verbally abuse everyone here ? I know I have been abrupt in past times, this was mainly in response to davidw verbal attacks to my person and my little doe. I've repetedly tried to mend the fences with no regard from davidw.

Can someone please explain how davidw get's a larger margin of lattitude whilst the rest of us all have to, in essence, tow the line tightly.

I honestly am curious as to why this is. I really can't understand it.

Thanks for reading this
The Buck[/b]

The Unknown - that post could still be taken as provocative, but I will try to answer your question if it helps.

I don't know why davidw's behaviour is tolerated here, but he does seem to be very good at making text adventures, and so probably has both some support and a sense that he is unassailable here.

I suppose the reason that the people who are answering back are all fairly new to interactive fiction is that those who know the scene better consider davidw to be something of a celebrity.

Personally, I enjoy his reviews of other people's work and would play his games too if it wasn't for his odious personality. It is a shame that someone with obvious talent and intelligence has to behave in the way that davidw does. Maybe he just doesn't have very good social skills or is a bit of a loner. I don't mean that as an insult, I'm just speculating that maybe he enjoys being alone and doesn't like people very much. Each to his own.

I hope that my humble opinion will help you, Unknown, so that you can stop posting this question.

Unknown, it is likely because davidw is somewhat of a celebrity in the Text game world. Like some people who achieve this kind of status, his hubris has made him into a pedantic windbag. Instead of offering anything constructive he has resorted to insulting anyone who he feels is inferior to him without regard to their feelings. In short, he is a prima donna. He ran Zelimos off with his potshots and stalking and now he is trying to run you off. Me as well. That's my take on it. Unfortunately, Alex can't afford to ban davidw. I don't envy him that at all.

I got rid of Zelimos? Well, that's something to be proud of anyway.

1. Zelimos.
2. Unknown.
3. O_Vaughan.

1 down, 2 to go.

David, are you now freely admitting that your purpose here is to drive other people away???

I'm always pleased to drive trolls away. Normal people who contribute things? Nope. We need all of them that we can get.

Ask yourself: if Unknown wasn't on this forum, would any of today's hassles have even occurred?

Davidw, if you weren't always provoking the Unknown he wouldn't act like this. He has offered you the olive branch no less than twice and you told him to die both times. once again, what the hell do you expect? You're should be a roll model here but instead you're a petty and vindictive stalker.

davidw wrote:I'm always pleased to drive trolls away. Normal people who contribute things? Nope. We need all of them that we can get.

Ask yourself: if Unknown wasn't on this forum, would any of today's hassles have even occurred?

The answer: maybe not. Maybe all the others would sit back and take your insults laying down. I refuse to. I have tried several times in vain to bury the hatchet and keep you from attack me. You have refused to.

You would mearly find a new target to attack. The fact that you attack my girlfriend to get to me makes me sick to my stomach.

David, I am starting to think that you are the cause of every problem this forum has ever had. You seem proud of the loss of Zelimos, and keen to get rid of everyone else as well.

I don't think that either The Unknown or O Vaghaun are trolls, although they do seem to have unusual senses of humour. I do, however, think that you are a troll, and only tolerated here because of your past glories.

If you'll pardon the pun, your posts here are the musings of a foul old man.

I provoke Unknown? Er... how exactly? He's posted 8 - count 'em! 8! - separate threads today having a go at me.

Yes, he did do that and has been spoken to about it by either myself or Tr0n every time.

Lucy wrote:David, I am starting to think that you are the cause of every problem this forum has ever had.

As it happens, I didn't post a single message on this forum for well over a week recently - check back if you don't believe me - but Unknown carried on flaming me in my absence. One of the mods noted this and even told Unknown off for it, and then Unknown flamed him.

So if I departed the forum, would that calm things down? No. Unknown would just find someone else to flame, and O_Vaughan would find someone else to take issue with supposed insults over.

But if they left the forum, however...

davidw wrote:I provoke Unknown? Er... how exactly? He's posted 8 - count 'em! 8! - separate threads today having a go at me.

You drew first blood..... I'm just not taking it laying down like everyone else would.

If either of you has a problem with the way Tr0n and myself have been handling this situation, I refer you to this post by Alex recently

Alex wrote:If anybody has any objections about any actions taken by any moderator, please let me know all the details and I'll have a look into the matter. It would help if you could let me know the subject line of the post or thread being deleted for example.

As for your attempts to drive out other members, david, I don't think you should continue with it unless you are also prepared to leave yourself.

Very funny, Davidw. So I shouldn't respond when I feel that I have been insulted???? OK. I get it. In your world YOU get to mete out all of the judgement and nobody else gets their say. If they try they just get mowed down. I watched you grind Zelimos. Hell, I stuck up for him. It was probably too late for him, though. I believe you wore him out a while ago.

Lucy wrote:If either of you has a problem with the way Tr0n and myself have been handling this situation, I refer you to this post by Alex recently

"Alex"

If anybody has any objections about any actions taken by any moderator, please let me know all the details and I'll have a look into the matter. It would help if you could let me know the subject line of the post or thread being deleted for example.

As for your attempts to drive out other members, david, I don't think you should continue with it unless you are also prepared to leave yourself.

I don't have a problem with Tron at all. Just you.

davidw wrote:
I don't have a problem with Tron at all. Just you.

Of course not he's one of your minions.

Well then go back and read my post, and then complain about me to Alex.

In my defence, I think that the only reason that you have a problem with me is because I'm a woman.

davidw wrote:I don't have a problem with Tron at all. Just you.

Now what on earth could that problem be? Hmm... Let's see...

Because she questioned you or stood up for someone YOU don't like? It couldn't be that could it?

Lucy wrote:Well then go back and read my post, and then complain about me to Alex.

In my defence, I think that the only reason that you have a problem with me is because I'm a woman.

What...?

I have a problem with you because you seem wholly unsuited to be a moderator. You delete posts of mine yet leave offensive posts by Unknown and O_Vaughan untouched. You edited a post of mine to put something insulting in, then locked the thread so I couldn't change it. As a moderator, you're supposed to be the one who stops trouble, but if anything you seem to contribute to it.

davidw wrote:

"Lucy"

Well then go back and read my post, and then complain about me to Alex.

In my defence, I think that the only reason that you have a problem with me is because I'm a woman.

What...?

I have a problem with you because you seem wholly unsuited to be a moderator. You delete posts of mine yet leave offensive posts by Unknown and O_Vaughan untouched. You edited a post of mine to put something insulting in, then locked the thread so I couldn't change it. As a moderator, you're supposed to be the one who stops trouble, but if anything you seem to contribute to it.

Wait... now you are upset?!?! the MODs you have on your staff ahve been doing this to me for months now. deleteing my posts. locking threads so I can't have my say after you post vile things about me. THe sword cuts both ways david. finally someone is standing up to you. How does it feel?

Davidw, as you know, you were continuously reposting a remark which I had deleted, so I edited your post one time instead of deleting it in order to call you a tool.

I have locked several threads, not just yours, but some started by The Unknown as well. In all cases I stand by the decision I made.

In some cases, a thread cannot be deleted if it starts in a pertinent way because of policy laid down by Alex.

Again, if you have a problem with the way I moderate, talk to Alex about it.

The Unknown wrote:

"davidw"

[quote="Lucy"]Well then go back and read my post, and then complain about me to Alex.

In my defence, I think that the only reason that you have a problem with me is because I'm a woman.

What...?

I have a problem with you because you seem wholly unsuited to be a moderator. You delete posts of mine yet leave offensive posts by Unknown and O_Vaughan untouched. You edited a post of mine to put something insulting in, then locked the thread so I couldn't change it. As a moderator, you're supposed to be the one who stops trouble, but if anything you seem to contribute to it.

Wait... now you are upset?!?! the MODs you have on your staff ahve been doing this to me for months now. deleteing my posts. locking threads so I can't have my say after you post vile things about me. THe sword cuts both ways david. finally someone is standing up to you. How does it feel?[/quote]

One of your very first posts on the forum was threatening to kill another forum member for "hitting on your doe". Is it any wonder you haven't made any friends here?

davidw wrote:One of your very first posts on the forum was threatening to kill another forum member for "hitting on your doe". Is it any wonder you haven't made any friends here?

Why can't you let it go???? He tried taking the high road by offering to make up with you and you shot him down every time. Sheesh.

The Unknown has made friends here, davidw. Not everyone only talks to him in order to make childish insults. If you got to know him you would find that he is a nice person with a wicked sense of humour.

The PM he sent me about my mother would hint otherwise. And his constant digs at me as well. Not to mention his new signature.

You might as well lock thread. I think it's served its purpose and a thread by Unknown remaining open for more than an hour is something of a rarity in any event.

Actually, I'd say Lucy started this whole thing off (probably by accident) today.

Then Unknown replying thanking her for agreeing, thanking that she's the only mod that cared (mainly because she just agree'd with him).
Then David posted giving the 'olive-branch' PM he likes to post so much, and the whole thing tumbled down the 'cliff of daggers, knives and very sharp things'.

davidw wrote:The PM he sent me about my mother would hint otherwise. And his constant digs at me as well. Not to mention his new signature.

You might as well lock thread. I think it's served its purpose and a thread by Unknown remaining open for more than an hour is something of a rarity in any event.

You can't admit the truth can you? I sent several PMs all but begging you to stop attacking me. The fact my threads get locked is in large part due to you.

The fact my threads get locked is in large part due to you.

That is because the threads you started WERE about him!

I've been over to the BF for a long 4th break and I come back to this.

What have you people been up to?

Tr0n wrote:Actually, I'd say Lucy started this whole thing off (probably by accident) today.

Thank heavens I'm not the one only who sees this!

But you seem to be in the middle of this

Thanks Tr0n for backing me up with such great grace . If you thought I had started this, perhaps you could have said so in the PM conversation we had earlier.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am starting to think that The Unknown might be right about your affiliation with davidw, who is clearly the main agent provocateur in this argument.

Tr0n wrote:

The fact my threads get locked is in large part due to you.

That is because the threads you started WERE about him!

No disrepect tr0n but this was started by david taking a swipe at me today in a thread that I didn't start. I dont want to split hairs but I would seem that you are quick to take up for him. I am in fact guilty of starting thread earlier today to respond to attacks against my person. I in fact started treads to respond to some comments about me in threads that you locked. I have been told that the new rules state not to. I wont in the future. I only hope that these rules apply to all members.


I admire your loyality to your friends. Loyalty is an admirable trait. Truth and honesty are also good traits to cultivate.....

The Buck

Lucy, my main beef with you I've already said before, but I'll say it again: I don't think you're cut out to be a moderator. You aren't impartial. You aren't fair. You don't treat everyone equally. You deleted a number of my posts earlier yet left far more offensive ones by Unknown untouched; you edited a post of mine to post something insulting and then locked it so I couldn't change it. Those aren't the actions of a good moderator by any stretch of the imagination.

Haha, I said by accident.
I know you didn't mean to start all this off.
You started it off with one or two sentances, which kicked off Unknown and then kicked David off.

It's the old "straw which broke the camels back" scenario.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not assigning 'blame' to anyone - it's on all of your heads for keeping it going. Each and every one of you could just be quiet, but you choose not to.

I am backing you up Lucy..
There has been zero communication between David and myself for a few days, and yes I could have PM'd you 'accusing' you... But I didn't think that right - you did it by accident.
I just don't want everybody ganging up on 'the wrong person'(tm).

Daisy wrote:But you seem to be in the middle of this

He IS in the middle of it. He has attacked me from day one. I am now convinced that in real life he is a miserable bastard and he takes it out on new forum members.

And ever since you joined the forum, O_Vaughan, you've done nothing but go out of your way to antagonise me. Is it any wonder I dislike you?

But why?

Tr0n, I did not start this, accidentally or otherwise.

davidw, I do not care about what you think of me as a moderator. If you have a problem, talk to Alex. For as long as you keep behaving in such an unkind, arrogant and generally childish manner, you can expect to be kept on a tight leash.

davidw wrote:Lucy, my main beef with you I've already said before, but I'll say it again: I don't think you're cut out to be a moderator. You aren't impartial. You aren't fair. You don't treat everyone equally. You deleted a number of my posts earlier yet left far more offensive ones by Unknown untouched; you edited a post of mine to post something insulting and then locked it so I couldn't change it. Those aren't the actions of a good moderator by any stretch of the imagination.

Welcome to my world. I've been getting this 'treatment' from MODs which will remain nameless (for now) for a while now.

david just admit the fact that you can't stand the fact Lucy isn't cowtailing to you like so many others do.

davidw wrote:And ever since you joined the forum, O_Vaughan, you've done nothing but go out of your way to antagonise me. Is it any wonder I dislike you?

I started with you in defense of Zelimos because I figured he needed a friend. You ran him off in the end too. You jumped me and haven't stopped since. In defense of myself, Davidw, I am the one who pointed out that I respect your abilities and achievements. Think of what you could have accomplished if you had offered to mentor myself and others instead of attacking us? Thanks for nothing. I'm sure Zelimos isn't the first board member you've chased off.

I'd like to add:

Zelimos was the forum's scratching post ..

Sorry, it's just Zel/Ste/however many different names he has, used to post just continual rubbish here, and so we returned with such rubbish...
I especially loved the sessions where Zel would post criticising another person (perhaps spelling) and then David would pick up on one of Zel's mistakes in that post..
That's one of the main reasons I don't complain about spelling/grammar.

I'll try and find where Lucy first posted when I get back home..
I'm sure the whole sequence goes: Lucy, Unknown, David..

Attacking other people's spelling or gammar is lame. It's akin to a second grade cutdown, IMO.

It depends.
If they are complaining about spelling, and inturn mis-spell themselves, then I say it's a free-for-all.

And unless you're continually misspelling something (I've forgotten what Overcat pointed out now... Damn) then it's usually fine.

Tr0n wrote:It depends.
If they are complaining about spelling, and inturn mis-spell themselves, then I say it's a free-for-all.

And unless you're continually misspelling something (I've forgotten what Overcat pointed out now... Damn) then it's usually fine.

true enough..

O_VAUGHAN wrote:

"davidw"

And ever since you joined the forum, O_Vaughan, you've done nothing but go out of your way to antagonise me. Is it any wonder I dislike you?

I started with you in defense of Zelimos because I figured he needed a friend. You ran him off in the end too. You jumped me and haven't stopped since. In defense of myself, Davidw, I am the one who pointed out that I respect your abilities and achievements. Think of what you could have accomplished if you had offered to mentor myself and others instead of attacking us? Thanks for nothing. I'm sure Zelimos isn't the first board member you've chased off.

So I should have offered to mentor you after your first post to me on the forum was an insult and almost every one since has been the same? Sorry. But not likely to happen.

Are you even intending to write a game? Or a review? Or anything along those lines? You seem to contribute a huge amount to the general flamewars that go on here, but as far as actual contributions go... well, you seem notoriously lacking.

The Unknown wrote:Attacking other people's spelling or gammar is lame. It's akin to a second grade cutdown, IMO.

I suppose I could just threaten to murder them but, well, that's just not me. I'm nicer than that. Heck, I'm so nice I'm not even going to mention the fact that you think you're going to win the IFComp this year with your masterpiece of a game-

Oops! Sorry. Forgot you told me that one in confidence. Don't worry. It'll be our little secret.

davidw wrote:

"The Unknown"

Attacking other people's spelling or gammar is lame. It's akin to a second grade cutdown, IMO.

I suppose I could just threaten to murder them but, well, that's just not me. I'm nicer than that. Heck, I'm so nice I'm not even going to mention the fact that you think you're going to win the IFComp this year with your masterpiece of a game-

Oops! Sorry. Forgot you told me that one in confidence. Don't worry. It'll be our little secret.

Here's the PM exchange before davidw can post partial posts in an attempt to be a punka$$ jerk.

the buck wrote:

The fact is: My game will eclispe all other games to date. I'm telling you it's the greatest piece of gamedom ever created.

davidw wrote:
Thanks for a good laugh.

the buck wrote:
You'll cry when you are forced to give it a 10. You think that you are the beginging and the end of all game making... well move over the Buck has arrived. You reign of terror is at an end.


The Buck

davidw wrote:
Get rid of the 0 on the end of that figure and you're close to its score.

the buck wrote:
that's a nice review on a game that you've not even see. You are a pompous ass aren't you? you couldn't even give credit to a wonderful game because you pride would hurt due to the fact It kicked all your games ass.

The buck

davidw wrote:
As you're a) retarded, b) an idiot and c) don't have a clue how to write a game, expect to receive lots of score of 1.

the buck wrote:
As you're a)a pompous ass, b) a egotistical maniac, c) filled with delusions of grandure you have a retarded little opinion that I can't write a game.. that's nice considering you've never seen my brilliance in action.

Expect to eat crow when I win many awards... you loser.
The Buck

davidw wrote:
I'm planning to save that quote for when your first game bombs. You're beyond ridiculous but, at the same time, also kind of comical.

I'm saving all your quotes to ram them down your throat when my games win all the trophies..

davidw wrote:
And what kind of trophies are you expecting to win? The IFComp?

Go on, enter your game in the IFComp. I dare you.

"the buck"

Count on it as soon as it's finished. I would suggest you not enter at that time if you dont want to lose to my superior game.

The Buck

davidw wrote:
Rest assured if you chicken out of this year's IFComp, I'll make a point of posting this on the forum.

the buck wrote:
If my game is ready by then I'll post it. You should know I'm not like everyone else. I'm not afraid of you. You don't intimidate me like you do tr0n and all the others. I will be posting it in this forum as soon as I finish. If I make the dealline for this year I'll post IFComp. if not I'll enter next year. either way you are going to eat major crow..

davidw wrote:
I can see you're chickening out already. So basically you're going to wimp out of entering the IFComp and then claim it was because your game wasn't ready.

I knew you weren't man enough to accept my dare.

the buck wrote:
Oh so I seee you going to try to goat me into entering an unfinished game so you can claim that your games are better. I see what you are doing david it wont work. You think you are so clever. I wont enter an unfinish game so you can pick it apart. I guesss this is where you post a partial PM dialog to make yourself look good in front of your lackeys.

davidw wrote:
You're not entering your game in the IFComp for the simple reason that a) it's crap and b) you're too scared.

the buck wrote:
I'm not entering my game in the IFComp for the simple reason: it's not finished
Read into what you want to. You are like a school yard bully. I wont take your abuse. I will stand up to you.

Oh, this is boring. It's so easy to provoke you into making a fool of yourself, it's not even fun any more.

davidw wrote:Oh, this is boring. It's so easy to provoke you into making a fool of yourself, it's not even fun any more.

Actually you were intent on using your own little plan to paint me in a bad light. Didn't think I'd have the guts to post the PMs huh? I ruined your plans didn't I?.... you are so pitiful. Look who's the fool now. You are such a miserable person.

The Unknown wrote:Look who's the fool now.

Oh I am! Ha!

davidw wrote:Are you even intending to write a game? Or a review? Or anything along those lines? You seem to contribute a huge amount to the general flamewars that go on here, but as far as actual contributions go... well, you seem notoriously lacking.

Thanks again for all the judgements, Davidw. I have had to spend almost all of my time here responding to your attacks.

Yeah, I got off on the wrong foot here with some of my first posts but I have tempered WAY back after I got a PM from Tr0n about my attitude. You've shown me only that you are a bully since day 1.

davidw wrote:

"The Unknown"

Look who's the fool now.

Oh I am! Ha!

finally you admit it.

[LOCKED]
This is just getting into bickering again.

And Unknown, David's advice is mainly to think of your first game as a 1.
You can't expect to get anything right first time off.. You need practice, to improve.