Right,

My aunt says she wants to buy me a present. Whatever I want, and after the shoes thread I think I want a pair of fall sandals.

But most of my friends are out for the summer and I can't get their advice. And Jeff is over with his dad for the next couple of weeks and I really can't wait. So I'm hoping CC and elexx and even lucy could tell me what they think of these sandles. Should I tell her to get these for me

Come on peops. Help me out.

Times aticking

are feet meant to bend like that? haha

My BF thinks they're sexy

my BF thinks shoes are gay....

Oh wait, I don't have a boyfriend...

Shut up Zel, be nice to her. The shoes looks very, um.... interesting. I'm not one for high heels and they do seem a bit extreme in that sense. If they look good on you and feel comfortable then get them, the major thing I don't like about high heeels is how much they kill your feet, so wear them for a while and walk around a bit, like how your mum made you do when you were little and getting new shoes, lolz.

I know about heels. Thats why I like thick ones.

I tried one of moms stilletos and didn't like it.

Thanks though elexx. At least one nice person here

And who voted no. Come on, fess up

'Twas me. Those shoes redefine ugly. This assessment is, of course, devoid of personal attack and completely subjective. Just thought I'd add that for everyone's sake.

this is totally dependable on what you look like in them.

@ tron = how could they be dependable? that doesnt make sense?

@ my friend daisy = those shuz are kinda OK...but you want to have something that goes with it. like tite low slung capri jeans or something... hope this helps!

ps = tell your aunt to by them for meeeeeeee! you are sooooo lucky shes gettting them for you!

CheerleaderChick wrote:@ tron = how could they be dependable? that doesnt make sense?

Well, obviously they don't suit everyone. You'd have to judge how they look on the person as well as on their own.

truuuuu...you do need to depend on your shuz...but they cant really be dependable. LOL

Tr0n wrote:this is totally dependable on what you look like in them.

maybe what he should have said:

this totally depends on what you look like in them.

that sounds better...im just saying...

Please stop before this goes into another "OMFG I CAN SPELL BETTER THAN YOU" thread.

practical shuz are ugly tho.

This being 'this thread'.
Dependant, dependable.. Either's good.

Thank you peops.

I told my aunt that I wanted those particular shoes and she got them for me.

I Loooove them

didja get an extra pair for me?!?!?!


hahahahahaha

jk daisy. i wuld like them to!

I wonder what the guys would say at Preston Army Training Camp if I was to go in wearing shoes like that. I don't think crossing rivers or running 10 miles would be so easy.

More to the point, I wonder what the guyst at Preston Army Training Camp (where ever the heck that is) would be thinking if I came by wearing those shoes!

Probably "Cor! What an ugly pair of shoes!"

Haha, yes - I'm sure a group of young guys who have been put into male barracks for a couple of months would look straight at her shoes!

.. Next would be her IQ and then they would look at her toe-nails and finger-nails to wonder at the colour varnish!

I saw some pictures on the wall at the camp (Although it's more of a shithole than a camp), and there are some pretty fine ladies who go onto the course.

I think it's kinda kinky when they all covered in mud, running through rivers in their army combats.

Can't wait...

Have you joined the army Zel?

I have applied for my training course, and if I get onto it and pass, i'll be signing up for the army in january.

Is this like the army or the territorials?

theres an army in england? i thot it was only in USA.

wheres the war?

We recently went to war on stupid people but, as you yourself can testify, CC, we failed.

theres an army in england? i thot it was only in USA

Please don't tell me you were serious when you posted that.

It could have been a joke (Atleast I hope it was).

Either way, my course is a preperation course. It will train me FOR the army.

How do you prepare to join the army?

The course toughens you up physically and mentally. Doing long runs with logs on your back, camping out, hiking, learning to read maps the army way, doing exercises that will make you fit and healthy.

After 14 weeks, you'll be fit enough to do the Army assessment test which if you pass, will get you into the army. Right now I wouldn't be fit enough to join, so doing this course will help me to get my body in shape for it.

As for shoes...



Sex in a shoe... Very comfortable.

The course toughens you up physically and mentally. Doing long runs with logs on your back, camping out, hiking, learning to read maps the army way, doing exercises that will make you fit and healthy.

How far do you have to run and hike and how much weight do you have to carry.

As for shoes, there is hope for you Zelimos

At first it's a few miles every morning before breakfast, then further on in the course you'll have to do the 10 mile log run. It's gunna be hard, but very worth it.

If I make it, i'll do the army and get my door badge. I do door work occasionally at the nightclub, but I don't do it officially which is a problem, an insurance kinda problem hehe. But I'll see how it goes. If I enjoy the Army, then I might just stay on and do the 7 years after.

10 miles hugh.

I can do 8 miles in about 2 hours. My BF tells me I'm slow

But he is just a show off jock

I did 10 miles in 20 minutes the other day.

















I was sitting on a bus at the time, but I'm still proud of it.

He did a half marathon (13miles) in 1:35 last yearl

I like yours though

Haha, and so you should be proud!
That's quite an achievement... 20 minutes on a bus is and endurance trial.

From when I was in school I can just about do a mile in 6 minutes or 7... Then again, my lungs are pretty shit as I've always had an asthma and breathing problem..
I'm hoping to try and improve myself with that - but that's in a long-term plan.

Actually, I almost went into this army thing. It was more an educational project where they pay you, and teach you for 2 years. You come away with a masters degree.
I went to the interview - which turned out to be a mass test (I had been awake for about 16 hours, and had to trudge through the rain and be kept waiting in a small bus-shelter for 30 minutes before the test!).
It was one of those silly SAT tests (erm - for those not in the know, those tests where one cog is turning a certain direction and you have to go through 5 other cogs and say which direction the last one is turning.. or simple english tests where you fill in the missing word from multiple choices, or simple maths - Jimmy has five apples, he gives two to Alice... etc). Then at the end (after an hour or so - so awake for roughly 17 or 18 hours - and working for most of that!) we did this little wire-bending test where you bend a wire into a circle, a square, then a triangle - in 5 minutes or something.

I just about managed it, after not being able to work out the circle thing properly until after I left the test room.. Although I just thought after faffing around, that you're not gonna get it perfect, so close enough is good enough.
We got ushered out the door into the rain again.. The attitudes of the army blokes were sunshine! and it was just uncomfortable.
I got asked to come back to do a proper interview, but I just ignored them.. The army is just not a place I would like to be - especially the way my father describes them (he's a civillian teacher, working for the MOD to train them - and the things he's seen and been in with the army...).

If you can - go for the submariners/boat guys (can't remember the names).
RAF (air force) are toffs: Stuck-up, usually posh people, who look down on the other two.
Army are penguins: armadillo's, who ignore common sense, are usually wasps, and look down on the submariners.
Submarine guys are laid back, funny, and usually good hearted blokes. This is mainly because they have to live on top of each other in a very confined space for months on end, in a place where your normal day consists of boredom..

... Now I guess I'd better go back and take out all my swear words..
[EDIT]
Done

Stop hijacking my thread please.

Back on subject:

I wore the shoes to a Birthday party last night and I got loads of compliments.

More importantly, Jeff said he liked them. Thank God his feet are bigger then mine

I did the army thing over here in the U.S. It was pretty demanding with a lot of running. I reccomend anyone try it if they get the chance (I was in morters, hell, where else can you get to play with claymore mines and not get arrested for it). Regretably, a heart attack (at the freakin age of 21) and my subsequent open heart surgery put an early end to what would have been, no doubt, an interesting career.

Oh, Daisy, Glad that the shoes went over well at your party.

Thank you doctor

And I hope all is well with you now.

Submarine/Boat guys... that's funny I think Navy is the word you want there Tr0n lol.

RAF arn't stuck up snobs, I spent some time on the RAF base last year in Cambridge, nice place too. I spent a year on an army base down in Wiltshire when I was younger. It'll be the hardest, challenging, but best thing I ever do with my life.

I've never met anybody in the forces who've said they regretted it.

That's it - Navy!

I'm usually like this, been a bit more forgetful about names recently - although my stuttering/getting stuck in the middle of sentances has stopped alot now.

I spent some time on the RAF base last year in Cambridge

Yeah, cambridge is a pretty nice place... I still think half the people there are snobs though. Although they're the better kind of posh person .
RAF are still pretty toff-y, plus you need uber-qualifications and stuff IIRC. 20/20 vision, total fitness, good education.. At least I thought so.

Yep, RAF is very dependable on grading, but there are still jobs in the RAF that you can do.

STOP!!

For truths' sake!

End this dumb lie that men (dudes... pucker lips, wink, wink, aw how cute) are fashionably blind! It's men who don't wear make-up. Make-up is fashionably ugly. How can a person honestly compliment a woman when he can't even see what she really looks like. He is better off contacting Ms. Avon, Ms. Revlon, or L'oreal and complimenting them. And make-up tastes nasty when kissing the skin!

Women degrade beauty with make-up. Forget the cry that middle-eastern women are being degraded by having to wear veils... what do you think make-up is? It's a veil! And so is the push-up bra!

Girls, get some self-esteem! Please, just end the whole lie that women are keener when it comes to fashion and beauty. Please! If women are so much more keener when it comes to fashion, then why do they look to a man for a compliment when they go out on a date? What does the man know? How could his compliment actually matter then?

And since I'm ranting and raving: women are not more emotionally connected! What a lie! Women's intuition? Aw, shut up! Divorced women, women with 2-3 kids by 2-3 different men, abusive moms, etc. What kind of emotions and intuition leads you into these situations? And women do not "deserve" free drinks at bars. Why is it practiced? The only reason is that men hope the women get drunk quicker so they can use them to get laid. I hope women really don't believe that they get free drinks because men are nice and women are so special. Blah, spew!

It's the whole "men are a certain way" attitude that causes women to never understand or connect with who a man actually is... and they don't mind... because they don't care... too difficult.

But I love women and not all women act this way.

-Witch

Could I ask you to summarize your rantings at the end of your posts for those of us that can't be bothered to read them.

Thanks

for once I agree with witch wyzwurd, real beauty needs no "cover-up"

Right, let's go through this loads of scrotum eh?
And to summarise: This post is replying to witch's weird rant. It covers make-up, 'morning-girl' looks, bra's, women's and men's ties to their mind and body, meeting girls in pubs/clubs/coffee shops, who buys drinks, and people who understand..

Guy's aren't really fasion-blind, but rather don't care too much. At least, I know I don't. As long as I don't look like sausages, I'm pretty pleased with how I look... Except when I do look (and feel) like swords.

Only too much make-up is fasionably 'ugly' (or faugly ... no relation to fugly!). A slight amount of make-up can blend and tone the skin, instead of having blotches. Can create more prominent features, like eyes and mouth. As long as it's done carefully it's fine.

I must say, I'm a fan of "morning girl" look myself.. Quite beautiful.
I also hate it when women pluck their eyebrows and they end up having thin strips above their eyes.. I don't want some girl to look like she's ripped them off and pencil'd them back in!

The push-up bra also isn't so bad. Instead of getting surgery/whatever, it shapes the bosom into a more - erm, I forget the word... Promiscuous should do, attractive, tantalysing, something along those lines - shape. It doesn't work on nothing (at least, as far as I'm aware), but just moves it around.
If you mean a padded bra - which I think you might - then you try being a girl with small breasts! A boost of self confidence never hurt anyone, and any guy who makes such a big deal out of that is just an astronaut!

Do you mean '.. are keener when it ..' (more enthusiastic) or ".. much more fasion keen' (acutely better at fasion).

Actually, I think women are more emotionally unstable, and emotions effect them much more than men.. In most cases, they are better at knowing what they're feeling and how to express it.
you yourself have prooved how men are less able to grasp what they are feeling and how to express it - I've seen so in a posting.
It's been proved, how women are less in touch with their bodies than men (erm, I'm thinking alot of the grown-ups here will know what I'm talking about).

Women getting 'free drinks'. You don't have to buy them a free drink, and I'm sure if you play it right you can GET free drinks from girls.
Let's walk you through a little "night out" 101 yeah?
First, you need a way to 'break the ice' when you meet a girl. You first GO UP TO ONE.. This is very important, also how you go up is very important too, and touching her upon greeting.
Next, you SAY SOMETHING, say hello, comment on them, their friends, the surroundings. If you notice drinks are low, you can offer to buy coffee/their alcyhol drink. This breaks the ice and gives you more to TALK ABOUT.
There's also the SOI and departure too - but I'll let you get the hang of these first bits..
... And another note: I don't like coffee, so I only buy alcyhol .

Personally, I like buying ladies drinks, as long as they're OK with me buying them. I'm OK with them buying me drinks - as long as I buy more .. I see it more as a gentlemanly thing to do - like holding open a door, or helping ladies up from a seat, or helping ladies with coats. Again, if the help is needed/wanted.

I only expect me to fully understand me. Any person who comes close is important to me. I've only had 2, maybe 3 people like that (I say 'people', because I include my best mate in that list.. He knows alot about me, and really understands me).

This is why you guys have no girlfriends.

Because I post too much? work too much in an environment where the average worker is aged 40, any women are over 30, are married and have children? Because I don't go out much with my free 3 hours a night (from 9 - 12pm), and a lack of friends stemming from the fact that most of the people I knew in school and college were assholes?

I'd like to think it's all of the above really..

hey, get a 30+ year old woman drunk, and she'll forget she had kids and a husband.... seriously...

Hahaha, last xmas I was sitting with all the wifes, having quite a few conversations.. We were all merrily drunk - I was a bit more gone.
They all gave me compliments etc.. I won't say exactly what they said.

But back to the subject, I'm definately not THAT kind of guy!

I dunno. I'm in Wales at the moment, and we went to a garden party earlier. One of the women there was pretty fine for her age, nice slender body, round ass, reasonable breasts, and VERY horny.

I don't think it was the time or place to act upon that, though.

Hey tr0n and Zelimos,
Thanks for the tips. Man, I thought my problem at the bars was that I just found make-upped women, women mis-shaping their breasts, shallow conversation, being used for free stuff, treating women as if they're disabled (pulling out chairs, opening doors, tieing their shoes, wiping their...), horny married sluts, sluts with kids, diseases, etc., just a bunch of unattractive nonsense, but now I know it's my outaptitude of approaching every member of the opposite sex.

Next time I go to the bar, I'll: tell a girl a lie; brush her hair; compliment her colored contacts; let her know that Revlon made her face acceptable; if she's married, disregard the man in the relationship and screw her hard; if she has a husband and kids, screw her harder; etc.

And as far as a woman being in touch with her emotions because she worries more about herself: That's because women are less in touch with who they are, but at the same time, society telling them they are more in touch with themself than a man. BACKWARDS!


-Witch Wyzwurd

P.S. When I go out, I get free drinks always. In fact, I find free money on the ground, I get more money than I should be getting from the bank, free food at restaurants, compliments from the opposite sex without buying them objects, etc. Why? Because I'm in touch with myself, others, nature, God, and the truth. And God knows that I know that optimal survivability for our creature is dependent on the alteration of our system's rules and methods, and knowing the truth and living within current standards is equal to imprisonment, so certain situations must be affected for me to attain my goal, because most people are too blind to provide the correct type of help. So knowing the truth and acting it out enforces the acquisition of optimal destiny, thereby forcing tools into my hands that would not be needed if I sludged around in life.

I thought what tr0n said was pretty sweet. There are too many a**holes in the world who don't treat us women how we should be treated. Holding a door and helping us get our coats on isn't treating us like cripples. It's called chivalry-something which is practiced no where near enough. Is there something wrong with showing respect to another person?
**edit** Daisy, I think those shoes are great. I'm glad they were such a hit at the party.

Please persuade me to believe that doing useless tasks for a woman equals "respect." I find it respectable to truthfully compliment and hold a woman; to listen and understand; to surprise her with gifts; etc.

But what is it that a woman will do for a man?... Hmmm, let's see... say or do things like: Men don't have feelings; he won't care; go to work honey; I'll do your laundry, go shopping, and clean the house; and other various things that eventually close a man off and make him feel undesirable. Now, I'm not talking about all women, and I'm sure most women would state that the aforementioned descriptions don't pertain to them.

But with divorce rate 50+%, unwanted kids, etc., "something" must be wrong.

What most people are missing is that when a woman is pregnant, then helping her sit, opening the door, etc., comes into play, but that doesn't mean that these actions need to be exacerbated and acted out all the time. And men paying for women was applicable in the pre-1930's days when women didn't make money, but since women do, quit digging into the man's pocket.

And get real, please!


-W.W.

I thought what tr0n said was pretty sweet.

Thanks coffeebuzz.
I do usually look around and think of myself as "the last gentleman".
Oh, I saw a great thing the other day - an old man (75 or more) buying flowers and chocolates from my local shop. It was so sweet and made me smile on my way to work. It's good to know that there are some traditional sweet-hearts out there .. Might be corny, but it's still nice to think about it.

Although, I'm one of the thing where the door swings both ways.. *cough*.. If I get a remote for someone, I expect to get a similar favor returned later on if I'm feeling lazy. If I need money to get a drink, etc. To pay for a meal - I'd like to be able to pay half's.
General opening doors etc is mere kindness.

Thanks for the tips. Man, I thought my problem at the bars... but now I know it's my outaptitude of approaching every member of the opposite sex.

Good to hear that I've helped you.

Next time I go to the bar, I'll: tell a girl a lie; brush her hair; compliment her colored contacts; let her know that Revlon made her face acceptable

You do that!
Personally I'd tell the truth, and if they were nice contacts I'd be very interested in them.. It would also lead to talking on glasses etc (and glasses are very sexy on a girl IMO).

That's because women are less in touch with who they are, but at the same time, society telling them they are more in touch with themself than a man. BACKWARDS!

Erm, what? How do you know they are less in touch with who they are? Although, I think that's the case with idiotic women (my sister curiously falls under that group!)

When I go out, I get free drinks always.

It's not free if you *steal* it!

I find free money on the ground

Everybody finds money on the ground.

I get more money than I should be getting from the bank

It's called a child's saver account. Wait until you're old enough to have a proper account... And work.

compliments from the opposite sex without buying them objects

OMG! You're the only person to get that!1

Why? Because I'm in touch with myself, others, nature, God, and the truth.

I would have just thought you would have answered that with "because I'm alive".

And God knows that I know that optimal survivability for our creature is dependent on the alteration of our system's rules and methods

Erm, actually it all relies on us not screwing over the planet... We're fluffy if we stop producing CO2, cos we will freeze, we're flowered if we don't do anything because then we'll boil/drown, and then freeze.. So basically, we're fawned

I find it respectable to truthfully compliment and hold a woman

According to your rules, you'd simply insult any lady that walks past.. Close the door right after you because you'd think any girl behind you would be "lazy", or "crippled".

to surprise her with gifts

So it's OK to give her a gift, but you won't buy her a drink when you're out? You think showing emotions, or acting out kindness in public is a show of weakness or something?

But what is it that a woman will do for a man?

You'll also learn that when you grow up...

and other various things that eventually close a man off and make him feel undesirable.

No. That's called "communication problems". If you can't talk properly to the other person in the relationship, then you end up buggering everything up.
Communication is the key! To both good emotional, mental, physical, and sexual erm, stuff?

But with divorce rate 50+%, unwanted kids, etc., "something" must be wrong.

The fact people are marrying WAY too early in life, and the fact that way back when - there wasn't a thing called "devorce". It was frowned upon ALOT, and marriage was something you were stuck in.
Women were also TOLLERANT of affairs.. Whereas now they're even active in affairs.
This means nothing to you, because you have to blame.. All the females of the world!

quit digging into the man's pocket.

It's your bloody pocket. If you don't want to give out any money then fine. I'd personally like to be me and actually treat people to things once in a while.

OK tr0n: when I grow up! Yah, ok, buddy! Lets see, so everything I post is either wrong or misconstrued, save one or two posts. Hmmm, that's called a denial problem. I tell you the future... you cry about it. I talk about myself... you lie about me. I talk about others... you deny my point of view. I've pinned you down as someone who must pronounce he's always right, even if he isn't, and in most cases you aren't, especially about me, and who must shine squeaky whipped clean in front of the opposite sex for fear that their "innocence" will frown upon you. Thats ok, you want to be seen as the "nice guy"; "The Gentleman." But the definition of "gentleman" is subjective. I believe there's the "real" gentleman and then there's the "stretched gentleman." The "gentleman for ladies" (because he's whipped (cough)) and the "respectable gentleman for man and woman." And I wasn't talking about CO2 emissions.

And however you're programmed to act, that's how it is for you. Not all woman want to be pampered ridiculously. Maybe they're the ones that don't want to end up functionless and fat. I like a 50/50 woman myself who'll open the door for me and know I'll open it for her, treat it as fun and not some false concept of some type of "expected respect." That's what I'm trying to get at: Have fun with each other, however it works, but don't expect someone to do something "for you" because you consider it "respectable." How lame and arrogant.

Anyway tr0n: Did you see how my prediction was correct in my new QBert post. And please don't waste your time trying to tell me I'm wrong... because I'm not.

Love, love, love
-Witch Wyzwurd

so everything I post is either wrong or misconstrued

Perhaps.
In this thread - perhaps others - I have gone after you a bit.. I know this. I'm trying to back off, but there's bit's I just can't ignore.

"expected respect."

I have to agree around this point. There is a normal "human" respect, which is how you treat another human being.. My level of respect is that I will hold doors open for other people. I will help out others. etc. I will not curse or speak in a bad tone of voice at a random person. That sort of 'respect'.
I do NOT respect someone automatically because of their stature (?). They need to earn my respect, and my trust.
I don't think I used the word respect in my post - and this is the main reason.

you lie about me

If I have I take it back.. I have implied that you are below the age of 18 - which I believe you are. I don't remember saying anything really about you.

I've pinned you down as someone who must pronounce he's always right

I am the kind of guy who puts his point foreward, but who will correct - or retract - himself when he's wrong.. I also try to check anything I put forward.. So yes, I try to be 'not wrong, as much as possible'.

who must shine squeaky whipped clean in front of the opposite sex

You can't see me now, but I'm unshaven, definately not clean and not whipped.

for fear that their "innocence" will frown upon you

Actually I don't like people frowning on me. I do as much as I can for the people around me.

But the definition of "gentleman" is subjective.

Yes, that's true. I always think that it stands for the whole 50's ish, or 30's ish. When a man would rob you while saying "here-here chap, would you mind giving me your money? Awfully sorry about this". etc.

And I wasn't talking about CO2 emissions.

Yeah - sorry. Something I heard the other day, and with you spouting off about you saving the human race's destiny, I couldn't resist talking about our likely outcome.

Ok, tr0n, then I guess we both can agree that we disagree that each of us knows the truth about one another. That's a good basis to start to get to know one another.

-W.

coffeebuzz wrote:I thought what tr0n said was pretty sweet. There are too many a**holes in the world who don't treat us women how we should be treated. Holding a door and helping us get our coats on isn't treating us like cripples. It's called chivalry-something which is practiced no where near enough. Is there something wrong with showing respect to another person?
**edit** Daisy, I think those shoes are great. I'm glad they were such a hit at the party.

Oh you're a lady. We need a gender icon on this forum.

And back to relationships...

This is what I think:

If women just want to have sex, then they'll just get sex. Of course I do respect women and treat them nicely, but if sex is all they want, then I won't take it any further.

If a woman wants to go all the way and have a serious and close relationship, then that's when it gets hard for me. Women can be serious one minute, and get bored the next. They may think they've found the right man, then realise the guy they met yesterday is better. They say they love you, then something major in their life changes and they realise they don't actually want you to be apart of it. They goto college or university and want to start a new life with new people and new men.

Just having a relationship based on sex isn't all that bad. You can still hug each other, you can still like each other, hang out, have fun, but don't take it any further than sex. Of course, if you're the posessive, jealous type, you won't take it too easily.

I've had the best of both, and I prefer the less serious type of relationship.

The truth of the matter is, regardless of all the ranting and raving by all of us: If you're attempting to connect with a person who is not your compatible mate, then it's not going to work. Things they do will not be accepted by you as something that can be gotten along with and they will feel the same about you; therefore, personality traits they have that you can't stand will make you feel as if you're being attacked, ignored, played with, etc. When we do connect with another, and it works, then everything we've posted previously becomes false and laughable. It's just that God isn't smart enough to have created a civilization where like minds are near enough to each other to meet and fall in love. And if they are, well, one of the two mates are too busy because of useless tasks, such as long work days in the cubicle, are married, have 2-3 children by 2-3 other men/women, are abusive, etc. Sure, true love does happen, but evidenced by society, hardly ever. This is why some people excuse the whole problem with cliches like: We are put in relationships that might not be long and stable so we can learn about each other and ourselves. What a bunch of rubbish. Just put my true-mate in front of me and I'll be happy. That's all I want: Happiness! I don't need to suffer, find pain, and learn about things I hate to be happy... pssst, hilarious!


-W. Wyzwurd

you can be very profound when you want to witch

Well thank you Daisy,

Sincerely,
-Witch

Sincerely welcome witch